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massachusetts, you won't have a one-person debate called the charlie baker show this week. amazing. that does it for us tonight. we'll see you again tomorrow. now it's time for "the last word" with lawrence one of the joys of my weekends have been seeing all the charlie baker ads and the martha cokely ads and of course the scott brown ads and all that stuff from new hampshire because it's all the same tv. >> watching people walking around dazed, wondering if democrats are going to lose that governorship again. well, elizabeth warren is now rushing to the rescue for the democrats in the senate, and we will count the votes in two weeks, but election day has already started for president obama and many others who cast his vote today. >> i'm here to vote! >> president obama cast his ballot -- >> first day of voting gets under way. >> things could go either way.
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>> voting is already under way in dozens of states. >> democrats are urging their voters to get to the polls. >> you've got to find your cousin and grab him and tell him to go vote. >> the president is right. people have to go vote. >> she brings an aggressively populace message. >> i am the daughter of a janitor who ended up in the united states senate. >> turn out in the next two weeks. >> things are right on the edge. with the democratic party's control of the united states senate hanging in the balance in the last two weeks of campaigning, the most popular democrat in the senate is rushing to the rescue. senator elizabeth warren shared
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her personal story with iowa voters as she campaigned for bruce braley yesterday in iowa. >> i remember the day that i walked in to my folks' bedroom, and my mother had her best dress out and was trying to figure out what this meant. i was 12. she was crying. talking to herself. you will not leave this house. and finally, she wiped her face. she pulled on that dress. put on her lipstick, stepped into her high heels, and she walked. to the sears roebuck where she got a minimum wage job in an america where a minimum wage job would support a family of three. and that's -- [ applause ] >> i am the daughter of a janitor who ended up in the
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united states senate because i grew up in an america that was building a future for all of its children. [ applause ] >> no democratic senator has a better story to tell on the campaign trail, and elizabeth warren does not have to campaign for herself. so candidates are desperate to get her out there to help their campaign. senator warren's rescue effort moves to new hampshire on saturday to campaign once again against republican scott brown whom she defeated in massachusetts to win her senate seat. >> what matters here is how senator brown votes. so he's gone to washington, and he's had some good votes, but he's had exactly one chance to vote for equal pay for equal work, and he voted no. he had exactly one chance to vote for insurance coverage, for birth control and other preventative services for women and he voted no. and he had exactly one chance to vote for a pro-choice woman from massachusetts to the united
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states supreme court, and he voted no. the women of massachusetts need a senator they can count on, not some of the time, but all of the time. >> joining me now, jeri reid and you've moved up to new hampshire, and here comes elizabeth warren. >> in a state that he never lived in before, now she's become the most popular democrat in the country and has been very popular with the base. we are now at the point where this is no longer a persuasion campaign really. this is a get-out-to-vote campaign. and nothing gets at the base at this part of the country like elizabeth warren with that talk about minimum wage.
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that's her bread and butter. >> i've seen elizabeth warren in massachusetts. i recently watched her walk into a restaurant, and the way she works a room, she's as enthusiastic and up close a politician as i've ever seen. very personal, takes, gets information out of people who she meets and really closes in on them in a very personal way, and new hampshire is a place to do that. >> right, and that's the one thing scott brown has been good at in new hampshire. he's very good at retail campaigning, and it's a small state, but she's got both those skills and, as she showed in that debate, an ability to challenge his views in all the areas where he's weak. but i think, that when of watch elizabeth warren out there, you realize the sort of mischance of this election. democrats had hoped to move the campaign to populist economic issues, places where they are
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clearly on the side of the vast majority of people, minimum wage being a classic issue. and for all kinds of reasons, this individual candidates have done that a little bit, but they have not been able to fashion a national message around economics, and elizabeth warren is the one person who can the consistently do that. bill clinton does it a fair amount. and that's why the clintons and elizabeth warren are on enormous demand out there on the campaign trail by democrats. >> what i find so striking about elizabeth warren is she's the fresh face of the party, and she makes this argument without reservation and more effectively than any other democrat out there. let's hear more of what she had to say in iowa. >> we now live in a world where the kids whose parents can't afford to write a check for college, lord knows, people need
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those scholarships. they need that for a chance to be in the middle class. >> she knows what she's talking about, being the daughter of a janitor. this is a classic american story about her own life. >> she's doing it in a local way. this race in iowa is around joni ernst. and i think for democrats, these are state by state races. and in that particular race, which is razor thin and close, and they need to get out their base as much as they can, this kind of a populace message works in that state. and you can't say enough. democrats have not nationalized
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this enough. >> now we can't leave the subject of elizabeth warren, iowa and new hampshire in that order without, without, of course, throwing a spark or two in the direction of elizabeth warren running for president. there's certainly a demand in a certain sector of the party to see her try it. >> it should be said for the record she also campaigned, i think the day before, for al franken up in minnesota. so it's not a uniquely iowa -- >> that's right. >> but, look, a lot of democrats love elizabeth warren. people on the left end of the party, the left side of the party, we kind of like her to challenge hillary clinton, if only to push clinton toward a more populist economics. i don't think she's, elizabeth warren's going to do it, but i think her message is going to get to hillary clinton, because something like what elizabeth warren is saying is going to have to be something that a democratic nominee says. one issue that she pioneered, which is how do you fix these
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awful interest rates that students are paying on these student loans, that's an issue that's working in red states and purple states and not just in blue states. kay hagan in north carolina and a lot of other democrats are using that student loan issue. so i think if she doesn't oppose hillary clinton, she's going to go to school on what she's saying. >> i think minnesota actually started voting a couple weeks ago. president obama voted today in illinois. let's listen to what he said. >> this is the most important office in the democracy, is the office of citizenship. so exercising it, everybody has their right. it's terrific. okay. early vote, everybody. >> yay! >> early vote. they're pushing the early vote.
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>> i love the lady's just doing her job, yeah. the president's talking, but i got to do this here. i got to do my job. they're doing pretty well in iowa. but -- >> after elizabeth warren visited. >> but it's a tale of two parties. you have a southern democratic party whose only goal is to get out that african-american vote, and also the midwestern part of the party, the ohio/illinois corridor, it's about finding african-american voters who voted in '08 but didn't vote in '10 but came back in '12. they want to physically go and if they have to get people out of their homes to make them vote, president obama is very effective about that in illinois. in new hampshire, it's about getting out white liberal voters, but you're sighing the democratic party and all of its particles, and it's fascinating how different it is in these different states. they are trying to narrow down to what that state wants to hear.
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>> one of the things the democratic party has been good at is getting out the vote. >> and if they win, that's why they win. >> good to be with you. >> thank you. coming up, esquire magazine actually asked 90 members of congress what they hate most about congress. this is a great article. an esquire editor actually spoke to 90 members of congress. it's an amazing project. and also, in the re-write tonight, i will have to re-write once again, a "new york times" article about the killing of michael brown. [ hoof beats ]
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you know, almost all of us are in cheap suits with bad haircuts. who cares? >>es quare quotes one republican house member saying if you talk to ted cruz, tell him to stay on his side of the capitol, we have enough problems without that idiot coming over here and screwing things up. joining me now is mark warren, executive editor for esquire magazine. you spoke to 90 members of congress. you know what that means? you have the only person alive who has spoken to 90 members of congress. >> one member told me that the only other person that's spoken to them is the house psychiatrist, which i took as a joke, because i don't know that there is a house psychiatrist. there should be one. one doesn't set out to talk to 90 members of congress on purpose, but i was animated by the public mood and the anger at the intransigence of the tea party.
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so i just wanted to get them on the phone for a few minutes, a few of them, just to ask them why they were so bad at their jobs. a few interviews into that, i realized these were deeply anguished people. this was a deeper, more interesting story than that. and they all have a lot of common pressures being brought to bear on them that were just crushing them. >> this is a story of people who hate their jobs. they're still out there running to hold onto them. after i read this, it's even more peculiar to me. to this thing that they can talk endlessly to you about how much they hate it. >> it took on a therapeutic air after a well. keep in mind, that gentleman you quoted before was a republican, talking about another republican. and that was reflective of something very interesting that i found. the difference, the split, the very real deep divide between these self-described governing conservatives and those who are
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somewhat less interested in governing, and there was a real extraordinary divide, reflecting, they were both, the republicans i spoke to were both more, had a deeper sense of grievance, and they were more apt to be self-critical. >> and you spoke to senator pat leahy, a democrat from vermont who has been there for decades and remembers quell when it worked well, and when he used to work with republicans all the tile. his is this kind of sad voice in the piece, looking back at the way it was. >> it's heartbreaking. he reflected his first trip to moscow when he was a freshman senator and humphrey said we're going on jerry's plane because senator leahy thought he would have to pay for his airfare. and he said jerry? and there's that comity. really trying to govern, even through their differences.
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>> you also had the idea of doing another piece in here about how to make congress better, and you sat down a few people, wise old hands, myself included. i was the young wise hand at the table. but you managed to get tom daschle who had been a democratic leader, bob livingston, trent lott. barney frank. you wanted leadership people. people who had run committees, because that's the way the work is really done there, and we sat down and actually at your suggestion ended up figuring out a few ways to try to change this that could help. and we're going to talk about that on the later shows, but what's really stunning to me is the desire that it's very clear in this, in your piece, of interviewing these guys and women, that there's a tremendous desire to try to fix this place, and have it work better, but none of them are individually empowered to make any kind of
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move to do that. >> that's right. there's a common complaint was the evolution of power away from the members to leadership, leadership bills, foregone conclusions, preventing them from working together and disincentivizing them to work together. they were more self-critical, as if they are aware that they have more to answer for, for this current break down. >> you were in the room when you saw barney frank agree with trent lott and tom daschle agree with bob livingston across that table. that's the kind of thing that pat leahy was lamenting. that's type of thing that happened all the time. it wasn't easy to make those things happen, but they did happen, and we knew how to do it. it's an art that i'm not sure how you could re-teach that to
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the house of representatives and the senate now. there may not be enough people left who know how to teach that. >> there is a sense of that. after this round of elections, more than half of the congress will be in congress for less than five years. >> yeah. that's a big problem. >> senator leahy has two offices in the capitol, one of them being -- >> a so-called hideaway. >> he hosts something called prayer hour and holy water. he invites everyone. >> and prayer hour and holy water does not include any actual holy water. >> they have a 12 year old holy water. he sees, he invites everyone, across the ideological the spectrum. and those that say to their constituents back home, things that make it impossible to govern when they get here, there's a deep yearning to solve problems. he sees small reasons for hope. i don't know, i don't know if it will take elections to solve
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this problem or the fix that you guys came up and the commission to fix congress can do it. >> we will talk about that at another time. there's a great thing you do ines choir, which is you have someone critique your entire the issue. it's rachel maddow this year. here's rachel. there she is right there. she's written her critique of the entire magazine, everything in it, including, including her take on this cover of penelope cruz as the sexiest woman alive. so you're going to have to buy esquire magazine or get it. if you read nothing else in this mag sign, you're going to want to read rachel's take on penelope cruz, sexiest woman alive. that i think is your greatest accomplishment is getting rachel to write about all of that. thank you for joining us. coming up, a nfl wife will join me to talk about the nfl's
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>> no more she was asking for it. >> no more boys will be boys. >> no more i'll say something next time. >> no more bystanding. >> no more ignorance. >> no more excuses. >> no more. in the spotlight tonight, the nfl domestic violence and a coverup culture. for the past month, the nfl has devoted airtime for that public service announcement you just saw by the no-more campaign and plays during nfl games. this thursday, the nfl and the no-more campaign will start airing a new set of psas starring dozens of current and forger nfl players, including ely manning, with a message tailored to fit the new climate. it's described as an insular and intensely the secretive
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organization where -- my next guest said she remained silent. joining me now is dewan smith williams. you discussed it with the washington post in that article in which this, this culture, it was all about this culture of coverup in the nfl. tell us in your experience how that works, and how it affected you. >> well, first of all, i want to say thank you so much for having me on today and allowing me to share my experience. when it comes to the nfl, it's all about protecting the brand. and in my experience, everything was done to make sure that the
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nfl was untarnished. and so whatever needs to be done to keep that brand, the nfl, is what is done. >> and what are some of the things that you've heard about in terms of the way they process domestic violence stories before they become public, say. >> you know, i don't, i can't even give an answer to that, because they were never, ever addressed. myself, through my experiences, when i looked to the league for help, i was, i was listening on deaf ears, they listened, but nothing was ever done. and, again, when you call the authorities, they don't do anything either. they choose to talk about the sporting events of the game and who had what touchdown and
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things like that. >> there's an anonymous source quoted in the article in the washington post, another nfl wife who says there's abuse on every team. everybody knows it, but you know not to tell. and one of the issues that's involved here is there's an awful lot of financial pressure involved in the decision to tell, because there's a possible income at stake and a substantial income. that means child support. that means educational support for children in the family. >> mm-hm. >> talk about what that pressure is like, considering domestic violence bringing complaints of domestic violence versus the economic pressure not to. >> well, fortunately enough, i, the young lady that was in the article is a personal friend of mine. and it is the culture as such. the nfl, if you leave, as a woman that has children, you walk away with nothing.
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and not only do you have to fight your spouse or your boyfriend to take care of your children, but you also have to fight the nfl as well to make them take care of their families. people always say to me, well, why didn't you leave? i have a friend that said, you know, you really weren't abused, you know. it's just the way that you're viewing this. and it's your perception. but, you know, unless you have your teeth broken, or, you know, a crushed jaw, then i guess that's not considered abuse. but people don't leave because we're financially, you know, depending on these men to take care of our lives. i, myself, was a nurse. i walked away from my nursing job, and i became his dependent. and because of that i was under his control. when he said that we were going to do something we did it. if he didn't want me to do
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anything, he didn't do it. i started two businesses, p.j.'s coffee shop, and i also started a clothing line, but when i stepped out of line and i was heard and seen instead of seen and not heard, he pulled the money from all of those things. so it's all about, you know, not only are you fighting the problem within your relationship, you know, there's two folds with, you know, are you really being abused, you know, are you calling the abuse yourself? and, you know, just where does it end? where do you get help? you don't. and that's why i'm sitting here talking to you tonight, because for years i never got help. >> yeah, i can understand. and, dewan, i've heard some criticize nfl wives say oh, they stay because there's millions and millions of dollars involved. i saw women staying in marriages like this when there was very little money involved that
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leaving the money would have been a collapse into instant poverty. so the economic issue plays across income levels. >> correct. you're absolutely right. and yes, money does have something to do with it. but for me, when you fall in love with someone, and you want a family, and you want to provide your children with what you had in your home as far as a mother and father, you do whatever you can to make that happen. unfortunately for me, i stayed until i just couldn't do it anymore. i could no longer use drugs and alcohol to cope with the situation that i was living in. to cope with, you know, the women. it's just a whole another lifestyle. it's a whole another lifestyle. and these men have money. they don't know what it means to be told no. and they do what they want. and -- >> dewan smith williams, we thank you for joining us
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on saturday, the new york times published what it calls the first public account of officer wilson's testimony to investigators. and if you think that that means that the new york times quoted ferguson police officer darren wilson's testimony to investigators about how and why he shot and killed an unarmed teenager, michael brown, you will be sadly disappointed once again. in the "new york times" coverage of the killing of michael brown. in the article, the only descriptions that appear in quotes come from witnesses who have already told their stories, publicly on this program and elsewhere. in fact, the "new york times" article did not have an account of officer wilson's testimony to investigators. it simply had some leaks by, quote, government officials briefed on the federal sift rights investigation. and those leaks included a summarized version of what darren wilson had to say about what happened inside his police
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car, which is essentially what the ferguson police told us two months ago. the times pretended that it had a scoop in the first sentence of the article when it says the police officer who fatally shot michael brown in ferguson, missouri has told investigators he was pinned in his vehicle and struggled for his life. that's not news. we heard that before from authorities in missouri. the times adds that officer wilson told the authorities that mr. brown had punched him repeatedly. again, not news, except for those people who rushed to believe the completely the fraud length story that officer wilson had a fractured eye socket. >> we also hear today that officer wilson has an orbital blowout of his eye socket. >> officials told the times that
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the fbi tests show officer wilson's gun was fired twice inside the car with the first bullet hitting michael brown in the arm, and the second bullet missing him completely. forensic tests showed mr. brown's blood on the gun as well as on the interior panel and on officer wilson's uniform. the times gets very confused about what those forensic findings mean. the article says it contradicts some witness accounts but then fails to point out any contradictions because the new york times and its reporters do not seem to understand what an actual contradiction is in eye witness testimony. when a witness says, as michael brown's friend did, that one shot was fired inside the car
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and it turns out two shots were fired inside the car, that does not contradict an eye witness who says a shot was fired inside the car. it is very common for conscientious witnesses to get shot counts slightly wrong. one instead of two, six instead of ten. listen to this audio of a video text message that recorded what many believe are some of the shots that officer wilson fired. >> you are pretty. you're so fine. just going, how could -- >> now i've explained before what you were hearing in the vocal part of that was a guy doing a video message where he didn't realize the shots were being fired in the background. and if you just listened to that audio without consciously trying to count every one of those shots, you will not get the number right when we ask you how
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many shots you heard, and you might not get it right even if you are consciously trying to count every shot the first time you hear it, and, remember, if you're on the scene, on the street as an eye witness and a gun is being fired, your ability to flawlessly record every distinct sound while trying to protect your own life might be imperfect, and the courts understand that. juries understand that. the law and juries do not demand perfect consistency between circumstantial evidence and eye witness evidence, but the "new york times" does. the "new york times" has demonstrated that its reporters and editors have been woefully incompetent in evaluating the evidence in this case. it pains me as much to have to say this. and the editor agreed with my criticism that i ripped apart for you right here at this desk. the important thing about the forensic evidence that the times revealed on saturday is that it
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is consistent so far with every version of the story we've heard, including officer wilson's. that's right. forensic evidence can be, and often is, consistent with more than one version of what happened in a shooting situation, which is something that the "new york times" does not seem to know. the forensic evidence is consistent with officer wilson's claim that michael brown reached inside the car and tried to hit him and tried to grab his gun. but it is also consistent with the witness' testimony that officer wilson tried to pull michael brown into the scar. and it's consistent with the testimony that she saw some kind of struggle at the car. >> as i get closer, i see michael and the officer wrestling through the win die. michael was pushing, like trying to get away from the officer, and the officer's trying to pull him in.
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>> i see michael and the officer wrestling through the window. that's what she saw, and that's what the forensic evidence shows. at some point michael was pushing to get away, because he did in fact runaway. his body was not found at the officer's car. michael brown ran away from the officer, and while he was running away, officer wilson fired several shots at michael brown. there is not one word in the new york times article that claims to be the first public account of officer wilson's testimony, not one word of why officer wilson fired ten shots at michael brown after he ran away from officer wilson. and according to the law, each one of those shots has to be justified. each one of those shots has to be fired because officer wilson is protecting himself from
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imminent threat of death or serious physical injury. and the new york times article which claims to be officer wilson's account does not contain one word of explanation as to why officer wilson fired anyone of those ten shots. over wilson's friends at the ferguson police department would love to offer an explanation as to why he fired those ten shots. they never have. they have never leaked such an explanation. there is not a hint of justification for any one of those ten shots. that is the point that jim kavanaugh and i have been making for the past couple months that there were at least two separate decisions to fire officer wilson's gun. the first firing in the car we have never been able to offer a judgment on that, based on the evidence as to whether those
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shots inside the car were justified. and we've never suggested that we know whether they were justified or not. they may have been justified. we have never argued that point. what we have been searching for and have never found is any kind of justification for officer wilson to fire at michael brown after officer wilson got out of the car to fire at michael brown, who he knows, then, is unarmed and fleeing. when michael brown is running away from him, not one explanation has emerged as to why officer wilson fired his gun when michael brown was running away from him. and with jim's and mine combined experience in studying these cases over decades, we have not been able to come up with any legal theory of those ten shots, any legal justification. and the "new york times" hasn't either. and saturday's article concentrated entirely on the first two shots that were fired
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and never mentioned the last one. the last one was the shot that killed michael brown. officer wilson fired it into the teenager's head as he was falling to the ground. some witnesses say stumbling forward to the ground with his hands up in a clear sign of surrender. officer wilson had already shot michael brown five times, including once in the face, but he wasn't finished. he fired that final shot right into michael brown's skull. and killed him. and when the "new york times" can explain why officer wilson fired that last shot, then we will finally have the answer we've all been looking for. [ male announcer ] tomcat bait kills up to 12 mice,
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(receptionist) gunderman group is growing. getting in a groove. growth is gratifying. goal is to grow. gotta get greater growth. i just talked to ups. they got expert advise, special discounts, new technologies. like smart pick ups. they'll only show up when you print a label and it's automatic. we save time and money. time? money? time and money. awesome. awesome! awesome! awesome! awesome! (all) awesome! i love logistics. we get the news every day from liberia that somebody's family member has just got ebola, and the household just died. every day we get news from liberia. every day. >> everyone is no longer at ease in his or her home because of fear of losing their loved ones. >> i lost auntie, one uncle. and the rest of them are cousins.
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>> 15 already. all in one month. >> i wish i could help them. >> those people you just heard from don't live in liberia. they live on staten island right here in new york city, but they are from liberia and still have relatives there where more than half of the people killed by the ebola outbreak are located in liberia. joining me now is the president of the staten island liberian associate, aretha yates. first of all, staten island is my favorite part. that's lucky part is that you get to live there. but it is the center of the liberian community in new york city. what are some of the problems people are running into now here in new york once people discover are you from liberia.
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>> the whole community has been stigmatized by this ebola crisis. when you are asked about where you're from, when you speak, you know, open, when you say liberia, people pull away from you. and many people are losing their jobs, you know. i had a community member that was on a train on one of the subway cars. and he was on the phone talking to a friend. and everyone just cleared the whole car because of him. so this is getting serious, and it has to stop. we have talked about this in the news, you know. we have a campaign that most liberian have on their social network pages talking about i'm a liberian and i'm not a virus, you know. we are already worried and in dire need of help for our people.
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and to be coming, to be coming to this is just ridiculous. and we just think it is just wrong. >> you were last in liberia in july. things were pretty bad in liberia then. were you worried about going to liberia in july? >> before i went to liberia, it was not as bad as they were saying here. when i got there, i went to get my nieces from monroeville to another city, and because of the ebola crisis in monrovia at the time. but when i got back to the states, like the liberians are first to take the ebola seriously, it was not a joke. they didn't believe that we had ebola in liberia. so we're trying to talk to people in the community, this is real, you know. not till mr. patrick sawyer went
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to nigeria and died from ebola. thank you. we have nothing to fear but ebola itself. this is "hardball." >> good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. is fear contagious? a teacher in maine gets sent home for three weeks because she dared fly to an educational convention in dallas. in mississippi, scared parents yank their children from school after hearing that the principal
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